Thursday, December 22, 2011

Evaluation Sheet and Photo of Ebony

Evaluation of EbonyEvaluation EBONY photo

Notice the length  of her canon bone and her height. She goes over the breed standard.

Notice the length of the canon bone on Kaffee and her height.

Evaluation Sheet and Photo of Kaffee

Evaluation of KaffeeEvaluation of Kaffee photo

How would you evaluate this doe? She is a first generation Kinder.

Sunday, November 27, 2011

Use your registration papers as a breeding tool.

MVC-001SThis is Oreo. Oreo’s great grand sire on his dam’s side is a brother to Bramble Patch Kinder E Lee

Sue's Roma

This is Reba’s Roma

Roma’s grand sire on her dam side is Bramble Patch Kinder Apple Jack who is the son of Bramble Patch Kinder E Lee.


I am using the buck above on this doe because he comes from my lines. By using your registrations you can do the same.

Beauty Mountain Reba’s sire was Bramble Patch Kinder Apple Jack and his dam was Bramble Patch Kinder E Lee. Reba and E Lee have both evaluated as excellent. Their lines have good udders and milk.

Oreo’s sire evaluated as excellent at around 1 year of age. Oreo’s grand sire and dam on his sire’s side both have evaluated as excellent and there is milk on both sides. His great grand sire on his dam’s side is Bramble Patch Kinder Ebony’s Black Pepper. Black Pepper’s dam (BPK Ebony) made her star in a 1 day milk test where she tested 12 pounds ( this is about 1 and 1/2 gallons) Black Pepper is a brother to Bramble Patch Kinder E Lee.

Yes, this is line breeding. If you want to have consistency in your herd then you must bring the good qualities back into your herd all the time. If you consistently out cross you will wash away all the good qualities in a very short time. In order to keep those good qualities take a look at your registrations to find the animals with the good conformation and milking ability, then look at others herds that have these same animals in their lines,  then join their lines with yours. By doing this you will  hopefully be keeping all those good qualities in your herd.

Concord is the sire of E Lee and E Lee is in the lines of Theo Van Goat, Oreo and Reba's Roma.

Sire and Daughter

Here is Bramble Patch Kinder Concord at the top and on the bottom his daughter Bramble Patch Kinder E Lee.

Son and Sire

This is Oreo on top,3 years old and his Sire at about 1 year pictured on the bottom.

Friday, November 4, 2011


How many would go to the web site to read a newsletter that they have already received by email and in the regular mail?

Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Scrotal Attachments

They need to be high and tight and a good circumference. A buck is 50% of your herd and better. You want those daughters to have well attached udders with a will to milk. Cattle people believe that the size of the scrotal is an indication of the milking ability of the daughters. We know the size of the scrotal is an indication of  good reproduction too. Pay close attention to the conformation of the buck. You want him to be smooth and level across the top with a good extension of brisket. We are not looking for just a wide chest but one with an extension of brisket. Look for good width between those hind legs and good strong legs and feet. Don’t just breed your does to any buck but look for the best that you can find.

Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Parts of a Kinder Goat

Evaluation Parts of a Kinder goat Modified

Use this sheet to help you understand the Evaluation Sheet below. The scoring on the Evaluation Sheet is dim so I have copied the scoring and it is listed below.

1...90-100 Excellent
2+..87-89 Very Good
2...84-86 Good
2-..80-83 Fair
3+..77-79 Utility
3...74-76 Utility
3-..70-73 Utility
4...60-69 Utility

Evaluation of a Kinder Buck

Click on the edge of the Evaluation Sheet in order to make it bigger so you can read it.

Tuesday, October 11, 2011

Breeder Standard

Here is a copy of the Breed Standard. Please take note; the Kinder goat is to be genetically  horned. An animal that is polled is not to be used for breeding and should not be registered.


Kinder Goat Breeders Association

The Kinder is a midsize goat that is well proportioned in body length and legs. Its compact
physique conforms to dairy characteristics despite its somewhat heavy bone and lean, yet
well muscled structure. The Kinder goat is a prolific, productive, alert, animated,
good-natured and gregarious breed.
General Appearance
HEIGHT: 20"- 26" at the withers for does, maximum 28" for bucks.
COAT: Short, fine textured.
MARKINGS: Any colors, any markings are acceptable.
HEAD: Strong, clean-cut, balanced, with deep jaw and wide muzzle and nostrils. Straight or
dished face. Ears are long and wide, resting below horizontal and extending to the end of the
muzzle or beyond when held flat against the jaw line. Genetically horned; disbudding and
dehorning recommended. (NOTE: in order to show at sanctioned shows, animals must be
disbudded or dehorned). Large eyes, widely set, bright and animated.
SHOULDER: Muscular, well attached at withers and set smoothly on the chest wall. Point of
shoulder behind brisket extension.
CROPS: Full, well muscled, not fatty.
BACK: Strong, laterally straight, smooth transposition from withers, blending smoothly at
hips into rump.
CHINE: Level and straight.
LOIN: Wide, level and having moderate fleshing over short ribs.
RUMP: Moderate slope from hips to pins and otherwise wide level from thurl to thurl. Pin
bones should be moderately wide, set level with the tail head and have moderate fleshing.
LEGS: Moderately heavy boned but not coarse. Strong, sturdy, straight, wide apart,
providing ample height for udder clearance. Pasterns medium length. Strong and springy
with proper slope. Rear legs when viewed from behind set wide apart and straight; when
viewed from the side, well angulated from thurl to hock. Hock cleanly molded, straight from
hock to pastern.
FEET: Short, straight, with deep heel and level sole. Toes symmetrical and tight, not curled
or splayed.
Dairy/Meat Character
NECK: Moderate length, strong and muscular but not fat, smoothly blended to shoulder and
WITHERS: Wedge shaped, slightly above and blending smoothly into the shoulder blade.
Muscular but not fat, should be slightly higher than hips.
RIBS: Long, flat, and wide apart, well sprung and deep.
FLANK: Moderately deep and arched, with some increase in depth of flank over depth at
heart girth.
THIGHS: Muscular, but with some incurving when viewed from the side and rear; set apart
and long with somewhat wide incurving escutcheon providing ample room for the udder.
SKIN: Soft, fine textured, and pliable.
Body Capacity
Relatively large in proportion to the size of the animal, providing ample lung, digestive, and
reproductive capacity, as well as strength, vigor, and stamina. Greater attention to depth and
spring of rib than to body length.
CHEST: Deep and wide, moderate angularity.
BARREL: Deep and strongly supported by ribs that are wide apart and well sprung; depth and
width increasing toward the rear of the barrel.
HEART GIRTH: Deep, resulting from long, well sprung fore ribs, wide chest floor, full at the
point of elbow.
BRISKET: Prominent, extending beyond the point of shoulder when viewed from the side.
Mammary System
FORE UDDER: Extended well forward, widely and tightly attached.
REAR UDDER: Highly, widely, and tightly attached.
MEDIAL SUSPENSORY LIGAMENT: Strong and dividing neatly into a wide, quite level
udder floor with about 1/2" deep cleft.
CAPACITY AND SHAPE: Proportionately large capacity with uniform halves and soft
texture adding to capacity.
TEATS: Medium size, easy to milk, cyndrilical, uniform, plumb from rear view, pointing
slightly forward from the side view. any teat abnormality denotes a "cull" and is unacceptable.
Reproductive System for Bucks
TESTICLES: Two, evenly and fully descended, of equal size, healthy and firm. The scrotal
sac is to be soft and pliable, with moderate to tight attachment.
TEATS: Two non-functional, well shaped and adequately spaced. Any teat abnormality
denotes a "cull" and is unacceptable.

Thursday, October 6, 2011

Kinder Goats and Color

Here is an issue that is very troubling to myself and others in the association. Color seems to have become to many, the main characteristic, when breeding the Kinder goat. Color should be the last consideration in our breeding program. Conformation, good udders, milk production and a good meat carcass should be our main focus not flashy colors, spots and etc.. It may be that there are those that will pay more money for a Kinder with lots of spots and other color combinations but this should not be. Any good serious breeder will not go this route. This type of breeding is not going to be good for our Kinder goat and in the end is going to produce animals that will evaluate as poor specimens of the Kinder breed. This is not what we want our Kinder goat to become just a goat of many colors.

Kinder breeders it is up to you personally to insure that color does not ruin the Kinder goat.

Friday, September 30, 2011

Kinder Goats

A Kinder Goat is one that is bred according to the Kinder Score Card and the Kinder Breed Standard. As Kinder breeders we are breeding one type of goat and that is according to our standards. We do not have two or more types of goats but only one. The Kinder is a dual purpose animal that will milk and also provide a good meat carcass. The ideal Kinder doe is to be 26 inches at the withers and the bucks 28 inches. Those animals with longer more dairy type bodies and legs are not truly Kinder goats. There are many dairy animals for people to choose from, we do not need to try to make our Kinder one of those. If we are to continue to breed a dual purpose animal then we must breed according to our standards.

Sue Beck's buckThis is a good example of a Kinder buck.

Sunday, September 25, 2011


I suppose I should say that this is the breeders preference but if you are selling Kinder stock then you might want to consider the buyers thoughts.

For my husband and myself this is very important because in general dam raised kids are not nearly as gentle are easy to handle as those raised on a bottle. We are in our 70’s and 80’s so animals that are easy to handle is quite important. We have owned both so we know first hand just how these animals act as kids and into adulthood. Those Kinder raised by their dams are never as gentle and trusting as those that are bottle raised. We have one older doe in our barn right now that was dam raised and to this day she is not nearly as easy to handle as the other older doe that was raised on a bottle. We have two doelings in our barn right now with one being raised by her dam and one raised on the bottle. The young doe that was dam raised is quite a challenge when trimming hooves, worming and etc..

I often hear breeders say that leaving kids on the dams is the natural and best way. It may be the natural way but it is not always the best way. When raising Kinder kids give some thought to the buyers that you plan to sell these animals too. I would almost always give more money for a bottle raised kid than one that was raised on their dam.

Here is a little hint that has worked for us: When wanting the dams to raise their kids then only leave those kids with their moms for the first week to ten days then  move the kids to a separate area. Twice a day bring the does to the kid area and turn them in for the kids to nurse. Just as soon as they have finished nursing open the gate and doe will be very happy to return to the barn leaving her kids in their kid quarters. Doing it in this way the kids will become yours ( much more friendly)and they will also be able to be raised by their dams. It has always worked for us.

Friday, September 23, 2011

Election 2012

If you have not sent in your ballot voting for Officers for 2012 would you please do that right away.

Sunday, April 17, 2011

Nice Kinder doe

BPK RomaSue's Roma

Udder of Young Doe

Here is a pictures of a nice Kinder doe. Notice that her hind legs are a little posty which could be a sign of good milk production. This was a picture of her udder as a kid. This is another sign that she will be a very good milking Kinder.

Thursday, March 3, 2011

A Genetic Defect and its Management

A Genetic Defect and its Management

By Dagny Vidinish ©

All animals, including dairy goats, have numerous genetic defects of varying severity. We are all familiar with the occasional multiple teats, for instance, and with such defects as undershot and overshot jaws. Other defects are rapidly fatal, and it often is unclear whether the death of a kid should be attributed to genetics or to misfortune. The exact inheritance of many of these defects is often obscure; for instance, although most people believe that multiple teats show up when both parents carry a gene for this trait there is evidence that in some cases they are actually caused by environmental factors. In order to manage these undesirable genes breeders usually have to fall back on the "don't repeat that breeding" strategy, which is very crude and unsatisfactory.

This article will describe a recently discovered genetic defect which is easily managed and eliminated because its mode of  transmission is straightforward and, more important, because a foolproof DNA test is available to identify carriers of the gene.

This defect's full names are mucopolysaccharidosis IIID, or G-6-Sulfase deficiency, and it is usually referred to as G-6-S. It was first identified in 1987 at Michigan State University, and subsequently the researchers tested nearly one thousand goats in Michigan and concluded that about 25% of Nubians carry this gene. All cases are the result of a single mutation, and appear to be confined to Nubians and their crosses; other breeds were tested initially and they do not have this particular defect.

The affected goats lack an enzyme (G-6-S) and this results in a variety of symptoms of varying severity. The main symptom exhibited by affected goats is failure to grow. Sometimes the kid is smaller than normal at birth, and  grows slowly. Some breeders have reported kids which grew normally for the first three months and then stopped growing. Other affected goats grow to what appears to be normal size but is in fact small for the particular bloodlines.

They lack muscle mass, appear "slab-sided", sometimes with blocky heads. Immune function appears to be compromised, and sometimes they become deaf or blind.   The longest-lived goat known to be G-6-S affected died at just under four years of age, and death is usually due to heart failure. Unfortunately affected animals can and do grow up to breed, although they often experience reproductive problems.

The same symptoms can have many other causes, so that affected animals are seldom recognized as having a genetic defect. Often they grow normally for the first few months and may be sold before any problems become apparent. In that case the breeder may blame the new owner for the goat's failure to thrive and early demise.

Every animal has two genes for every trait, one inherited from the dam and one from the sire. In turn, that animal will pass only one of those genes to each offspring, and which one it will be is a matter of chance, like the flip of a coin. On the average, half the offspring will inherit one gene and half the other. If the two genes are different, then there is a question as to which of them will determine how the animal actually looks or functions. The defective G-6-S mutation is a simple recessive gene, which means that a goat which has only one copy of it will appear perfectly normal and will not show any of the symptoms described above. Such a goat is referred to as a "carrier."   A goat which inherits the defective gene from both parents shows symptoms and isreferred to as "affected". A "normal" goat, in this context, is one who has two copies of the normal gene.

If a normal goat is bred to a carrier, then all offspring will inherit a normal gene from the normal parent. The carrier parent will pass a normal gene to half the offspring, and a defective gene to the other half. Thus such a mating will, on the average, produce half normal kids and half carriers, and no affected ones. If two carriers are bred to each other, then one quarter of the kids will be normal, one half will be carriers, and one quarter will be affected. If an affected goat is bred to a normal goat, all offspring will be carriers. An affected goat bred to a carrier will produce half carriers and half affected.

As stated above, research shows that 25% of Nubians carry the defective G-6-S gene. Almost all of these are carriers, since most of the affected animals which are born would be culled, and the rest die early. Most people find it surprising that something which is in one quarter of the population can have escaped notice for so long. However, random matings in such a population would result in only one out of sixteen being carrier to carrier, and only one quarter of the kids from these breedings would be affected. Thus only one kid in sixty-four (1.6%) would be affected. Given the variable and obscure symptomsof G-6-S affected kids, it really is understandable that most Nubian breeders believe that they have never encountered affected kids.

However, many Nubians are line-bred, and this practice will concentrate certain genes in some lines while eliminating them from others. It has been observed that the G-6-S mutation is very prevalent in the same lines which are known for high milk production. Thus breeders who have been selecting for milk may have inadvertently also been selecting for the G-6-S defect. Fortunately it appears that the two traits are actually independent, that you can cull the G-6-S carriers without at the same time culling the high producers.

Usually it is difficult to eliminate a genetic defect without losing all thegood genetics for which a line is known. For instance, if a buck throws double teats, then there is no way of knowing which of his offspring will do the same and which will not. You can cull him, but that seems rather heavy-handed since the bad gene will undoubtedly live on in some of his relatives. With G-6-S we are very fortunate to have a foolproof DNA test available which will tell us whether a goat is normal, or a carrier, or affected. This test makes it possible to save the good genetics and eliminate the defective gene if that is our wish. If a superior animal is a carrier, then we can test the kids and manage them in such a way as to avoid the birth of any affected individuals.

What is a good management strategy? What is the most efficient way to save the good and get rid of the bad? The usual recommendation for such testable defects is to cull carrier males, but not the females. Remember that if a normal buck breeds a carrier doe, then only half the kids will be carriers, and none will be affected. Thus if there are some carrier females in the herd, then using only normal bucks will reduce the incidence of carriers in the next generation by one half. The average herd would start with 25% carrier females, and if only normal bucks were used the next generation of females would be down to 12.5% carriers, and the next generation to 6.25%, etc. This is in sharp contrast to what a carrier buck would do in the same herd: if used to breed all the does, his daughters would be 50% carriers and 6.25% affected. Clearly there is much to be gained by testing buck kids and retaining only normal ones for breeding.

While it is relatively easy to cull a buck kid, one might hesitate to do the same with a proven sire. In particular, there are some very popular bucks whose semen commands a high price and who are carriers for the defective G-6-S gene.

A reasonable strategy here would be to use these bucks only on normal does, thus avoiding affected kids. Then one would test the kids and cull carrier bucks.

Although the DNA tests are expensive, if testing one's bucks prevents the birth of even one affected kid then it is cost effective. Unlike tests for diseases, a genetic test does not need to ever be repeated. Also, the DNA tests are completely accurate, there are none of the gray areas which can be so frustrating. There is no need to test the kids if both parents are known to be normal. One can work back from one's foundation animals and if there really is no problem in the herd then it may be possible to establish that at reasonable cost. Normally whole blood is used for the test, but semen can also be used. If an AI buck is a carrier, that can be established by finding a carrier offspring out of a normal doe, but no number of normal offspring will prove that a buckis normal.

A number of breeders have expressed the opinion that the G-6-S defect is no more of a problem than many other genetic defects, and therefore does not merit any particular attention. They evidently miss the point that it is the availability of a DNA test which makes this defect special. One can use goats from bloodlines which are known to have a high concentration of the G-6-S defect completely safely by just testing the particular individuals and either rejecting carriers or using them with proper precautions. There is nothing to be gained by trying to sweep G-6-S under a rug, and much to be gained by sharing information about it.

One may wonder why a DNA test has been developed for such an obscure defect, and no help is available for, say, multiple teats. The answer is simple - humans don't have a problem with multiple teats, they do with G-6-S. The same genetic defect, when found in humans, is called Sanfilippo IIID; the affected child appears normal at birth but soon stops growing, looses muscle mass, has neurological deterioration and dies. When the same genetic defect was discovered in goats researchers used them as models for treatment, and goatbreeders in turn benefited from their discoveries.

Testing for G-6-S is done at the Texas Veterinary Medicine Diagnostic Lab (TVMDL) at a cost of  $  (please call for current cost) US.  

Saturday, February 19, 2011


Posted by: "Suzanne Gasparotto" onioncreek1
Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:57 am (PST)

*Animal ID Update: USDA plans to propose new rules*
A year ago, USDA announced that it was dropping its plans for the
National Animal Identification System (NAIS), and that it would instead
develop a new framework for tracking animals that move across state
lines. At the same time, the USDA also announced that it would form a
new "Secretary's Advisory Committee on Animal Health."
FARFA joined with a coalition of organizations to nominate a slate of
producers to the Committee. When the Committee was finally named late
last year, three of the coalition's nominees were selected: Judith
McGeary of FARFA, Gilles Stockton of the Western Organization of
Resource Councils, and Genell Pridgen of Carolina Farm Stewardship
Association. Judith McGeary was named Vice-Chair of the Committee, and
Dr. Don Hoenig (the State Vet of Maine) is the Chair.
The Committee, made up of a total of 20 people, met for the first time
on January 20-21, 2011. *At that meeting, the USDA officials stated that
a proposed rule has already been written and is going through the
administrative process prior to publication, which is expected to occur
in April. *Since the proposed rule is already written, changes at this
stage are not likely, but USDA asked that the
Committee identify any "show stoppers" with the framework.
The role of the Committee members is to represent "constituencies" of
people and organizations who are affected by USDA's animal health
programs. Below is a list of key concerns about the new framework that
we developed in cooperation with other organizations and submitted to
the full Committee for discussion.
The next public meeting of the Committee will be on March 4, by
conference call. It is open to the public, and information on how to
participate is posted on the Committee's website at:
The Committee website also includes all of the documents presented to
the Committee, and will have a transcript of the first meeting when
available. The core documents explaining the new proposed framework for
Animal ID are also posted on FARFA's website:
1. Summary of proposed requirements
2. Powerpoint report
<> to
the Committee
3. Tag
*After the proposed rule is published, there will be a public comment
period. We will alert you to how you can access the proposed rule and
make comments as soon as that information in available. Please be ready
to speak up!
The USDA's decision to withdraw the NAIS plan shows that the grassroots
can be successful. We will need each of you to be involved to ensure
that any new regulations do not create unfair burdens for the hundreds
of thousands of small farmers, ranchers, and other animal owners across
the country.

NIAA Weekly News Bulletin for Feb. 17, 2011

Sunday, February 6, 2011

The Beginnings of the Kinder Breed




clip_image006Zederkamm Liberty, first generation Kinder doe

clip_image008Zederkamm Tia

Twiss Acres Thadius (Pygmy)

Born 10/05/80 – #80469M

Bred to Zederkamm Cocoa (Nubian), daughter of Brandy, producing Zederkamm Briar Rose


Bred to Zederkamm Brandy (Nubian) producing Zederkamm Liberty and Zederkamm Tia


Zederkamm Brandy (Nubian)

Born 01/84 – #BS850003D

Zederkamm Cocoa (Nubian)

No photo of Zederkamm Cocoa available

Born 04/85 – #BS840005D

Zederkamm Liberty

Born 7/04/86 - *M AR (FM) #1860007D

Sire: Twiss Acres Thadius #80469M

Dam: Zederkamm Brandy #BS850003D

Liberty was the first Kinder doe to earn her Milk Production Star

Zederkamm Tia

Born 7/04/86 #186011D

Sire: Twiss Acres Thadius #80469M

Dam: Zederkamm Brandy #BS850003D

Hypocalcemia in Late-Gestation

Feeding to Prevent it
By Sue Reith (2/07 update)

Hypocalcemia is a life-threatening condition that shows up when a doe is either pregnant or lactating, but getting fed an unbalanced diet that doesn’t provide her with enough calcium for both herself and her growing fetuses or for milk production.  It can appear at any time during the last 2 months of pregnancy, right up to the doe's due date, as well as at any time while she’s lactating.
Symptoms:  The first thing she'll do is refuse to eat her grain. Soon after that she won’t want her hay either.  Without quick intervention she’ll become weak and wobbly, lethargic and depressed. If still untreated by then, she’ll lie down and not want to get up. If you take her temperature when you first see these changes, it’ll be normal (102.3), but soon after that it’ll drop to sub-normal (below 102). Unless corrective measures are begun right away you’ll lose both the doe and her fetuses.
Treatment: If, because you're unsure as to why the doe is behaving this way, you call a veterinarian in for advice, he or she will probably (and unfortunately) tell you that her problem is “pregnancy toxemia”, or “pregnancy disease”, or perhaps the most likely diagnosis will be “ketosis” a secondary condition that happens when the doe stops eating (in this case because she's too weak to do so) thus has to start living on her own body's reserves*. While ketosis was not the initial cause of the doe's difficulty, after a couple of days  of being too weak to eat any food it will certainly become a major part of her problem! So it, too, must be dealt with fast!  A veterinarian, recognizing the ketosis but not the hypocalcemia that caused it, will want to treat with glucose, etc.  But it's absolutely essential that the doe be treated with calcium supplements** at the same time, without which she will either end up dead, babies and all, or with a c-section, with babies too young to survive, and a hefty vet bill as well.  So it behooves the owner to take charge of this whole process right away, to treat the doe with calcium supplements for the hypocalcemia, and, if more than a day or two has passed before treatment was begun, with glucose for ketosis as well.

:  It's all about the food!  Most cases are seen in does that are getting a hefty grain ration along with their hay, especially when they're getting grass hay instead of alfalfa. During the last 2 months of the doe's pregnancy, this type of grain/grass hay diet does not provide enough Calcium for both the fast-growing fetuses' bone development and for her own muscle tone as well, so depending on how many fetuses are draining calcium from her to build their little skeletons, at some point the babies will drain ALL of her calcium from her for their own needs, leaving her nothing to keep her heart going (the heart is a muscle) or to go into labor (the uterus is ALSO a muscle).  And the more fetuses she's carrying, the sooner this will happen!  With just 1 or 2 fetuses she may make it until she goes into labor, but then be too weak from lack of muscle tone to expel the babies in a timely manner***. Or if she  does succeed in birthing the kids (often requiring the owner's assistance), starting lactation in a calcium-deficient state can lead to a sudden (and very surprising!) loss of milk production at some unexpected point during lactation.
Prevention:  You CAN prevent this, just by feeding your pregnant does a proper diet during pregnancy!  Pregnant does need a great deal of calcium in their diets, particularly in the last two months of gestation. That's when the fetuses, now having fully developed all their little parts, focus all their energy on growing rapidly, and in so doing drain large amounts of calcium from the mother's body. Calcium is only available in the diet if the doe is ingesting at least 2 parts (and no more than 5 parts) of calcium-providing food to every 1 part of phosphorus-providing food. “The calcium-to-phosphorus ratio of a food or supplement determines how much of the calcium is absorbed.” (, bottom of the article, #8 under “12 ways to boost your calcium”.)
The only really good Calcium-providing feeds are alfalfa and clover, because grass hay contains barely any at all. OTOH, ALL forms of grain contain a great deal of phosphorus (and almost no calcium whatsoever). So if you feed grain without the calcium available from alfalfa or clover, OR if you feed alfalfa or clover without the phosphorus available from grain, there will be NO   calcium available in the diet you feed for the developing babies....
During the doe's pregnancy, there are three basic feeding approaches that will prevent hypocalcemia.
(1)  Provide her daily with a small amount of grain (for a mature dairy-sized doe that would be no more than one cup per feeding) along with a regular ration of alfalfa, or,
(2)  If feeding a grass hay or pasture instead of alfalfa, give her NO grain at all. That's because while grass hay does in itself contain a proper ratio of calcium to phosphorus, the total amount of each is exceedingly low.  But adding a heavy-phosphorus grain ration to it would turn the balance of calcium to phosphorus upside down to something like 1 Ca to 4 (or more) P, making NO calcium available to the doe, and setting her up for hypocalcemia in late gestation. To increase the availability of Calcium in this instance, provide a good free-choice loose supplemental trace mineral mixture that contains at least 16% protein (grass hay has only ~5%), along with a ratio of no lower than 2 parts of Calcium to each 1 part of Phosphorus (the amount of which could be nicely increased with the addition of powdered Di-Calcium Phosphate, available through feed suppliers as well as online.)
(3)  For those who would prefer to feed both grain and hay in late gestation, but because they don't have ready access to free choice alfalfa must instead either pasture their goats or feed them grass hay,  if alfalfa pellets can be bought locally at a reasonable price, a perfect late gestation diet for prevention of Hypocalcemia would be a ration of 1 cup (by measure) of grain, added to (using the same cup) 3 cups of alfalfa pellets, fed 2X daily, along with all the free choice pasture or grass hay the does want to eat between meals, and free choice access to a good, loose, trace mineral supplement, and baking soda.
In an effort to help owners figure out just how much of what feed to give their late gestation does to provide that minimum 2:1 ratio, I recently wrote a technical nutritional analysis of how the 2 CA to 1 P balance works out in real-time farm-feeding measurements. (I'll be happy to forward a copy of that analysis to readers who'd like to read it.)
And then to translate the technical information in the article into useful terms, I calculated the actual weight of the (minimum) 2Ca:1P ratio diet I feed to my own Togg does. In so doing I found that at mealtime they each get 1 lb of alfalfa (a combination of 12 oz alfalfa pellets, ALL of which is devoured eagerly, and roughly 24 oz loose alfalfa free choice, some of which is generally wasted) along with 1 cup (1/4 lb by weight) of grain. That's roughly a per-meal ratio of 1 lb of calcium-containing food to each 1/4 lb of phosphorus containing food, translating to a daily ration of 4:1 (4 Ca to every 1 P), well-within the parameters of the acceptable calcium to phosphorus ratios of 2Ca:1P to 5Ca:1P that are needed to make calcium available in the diet.  
Because when measuring them pound for pound we can see there's a difference in the volume of grain and alfalfa pellets, after calculating the above feeding ratio by weight I went back again and re-calculated it by volume.  When I filled up my 1-cup grain-measuring container with alfalfa pellets instead, I discovered that it took exactly 3 of them to fill up my larger, alfalfa-measuring container.  So, when measuring out a feeding of grain and alfalfa pellets for one animal, to provide the essential minimum of 2 Ca to 1 P ratio in that meal all you need to do is put 3 of the small scoops (or a larger scoop that holds the equivalent) of alfalfa pellets into the dish, and top it off with 1 small scoop of grain****! 
Addendum: For readers that while feeding to prevent Hypocalcemia are concerned about other nutrients, such as protein, being available to their does as well, according to Ensminger and Olentine's Livestock Feeds and Nutrition Complete the average digestible protein content in grain is 11.2%, whereas in alfalfa it's 15.9%, in clover 10.5%, in beet pulp it's 14.1% and in grass hay 5.1%. The average digestible energy level in grain is 1.38%, in alfalfa it's 1.13%, in clover it's 0.93%, in beet pulp it's 1.32%, and in grass hay it's 1.8%. And, last but not least, the average crude fiber content in grain is 6%, in alfalfa it's 27.2%, in clover it's 25.7%, in beet pulp it's 15.17%, and in grass hay it's 28.2%.
Sue Reith
Carmelita Toggs
Bainbridge Island WA
*When the goat doesn't get food from outside, it tries to stay alive by using its own reserves.  Its own fatty tissue is used to provide energy, and in so doing it releases 'ketones' into the system.  The ketones soon shut down the liver, hence the name 'ketosis'.
**The most effective calcium supplementation is done with CMPK, because it's made up of not just Calcium, but also Magnesium, Phosphorus, and Potassium, formulated to work together as a team to make Calcium more quickly available to the body, and at the same time prevent an overdose of the Calcium (which when given alone can result in cardiac arrest) during restoration. For those that have no access to CMPK, A 'homemade recipe' for it follows: 

To re-create the equivalent of a 30 cc CMPK dose (650 mg calcium; 500mg potassium; 150 mg phosphorus; and 96 mg magnesium) right in your kitchen, go to the Supplements department of any large chain-type drugstore and buy a bottle of Posture-D tablets (containing 600mg calcium, 266mg phosphorus, and 50mg magnesium), and bottles of Potassium tablets (500 or 550mg) and Magnesium tablets (150 or 250mg).  Calculate the amount of each pill needed to come up with an equivalent to one 30cc dose of CMPK as spelled out above, and, using a pill cutter of some kind, create that amount, crush it up to a powder and serve it orally in a little yogurt. Or add some water to the mixture and dose it in a drenching syringe.
***This delayed labor brought about by a lack of sufficient calcium to provide the uterus with proper muscle tone is also the cause of Floppy Kid Syndrome!  The babies remain in the birth canal for too long before gaining access to oxygen, a process which sets up an acidosis in the brain tissue.  This is why Sodium Bicarbonate is the treatment of choice to save the 'Floppy Kid”, which it does by neutralizing the acidosis in the kid's brain.
****If the pregnant doe is lactating and still being milked, you can serve that grain/pellets combo to her while in the stanchion
Sue Reith

Sunday, January 23, 2011


4 eggs slightly beaten
1/2 cup of sugar
1/2 tsp. salt
1 tsp. vanilla
2 1/2 c. milk, scalded
9 inch unbaked pie shell
Dash of nutmeg

Thoroughly mix eggs, sugar, salt and vanilla. Slowly pour in hot milk. Pour into shell at once. Sprinkle nutmeg over the top and bake in preheated oven at 475 degrees for 5 minutes. Reduce heat to 425 degrees and bake for 10 minutes or longer if necessary.

Saturday, January 15, 2011

My Story About CAE

Lets talk about CAE.

At the very beginning of my Kinder breeding program I was just like lots of others, looking for more genetics for my Kinder herd without using caution when buying new stock for that program.

Sure I had read all the warnings of bringing in new stock without asking about CAE, CL and etc. but just as I have already stated, I threw all caution to the wind. All I could think about was wanting new bloodlines to increase my gene pool.

Well in 1994 the chickens came home to roost, so to speak. After coming back from the Missouri State Fair, with a blue ribbon for the Kinder doe that milked the most in the milking competition, it was time for CAE testing. This was the first time for my testing the doe that had won the milking competition. It was then that my night mare started.

I had the vet to come and draw blood for CAE.The vet called when he received the test results. All negative except for one doe. This was the doe that had won the milking competition. This was the one that tested positive for CAE. I will always remember how sick I felt. I could not believe this, she didn't have enlarged knee joints, she was in great condition and her coat shown like a bright new copper penny. There had to be some mistake, the test had to be wrong. So I ask the vet to draw more blood and send it to another lab.

I held my breath waiting for those results but no amount of wishing was going to change the results of the first testing. The doe once again tested positive. Just hoping against all hope I ask to have more blood drawn and sent to a third lab. The results were the same, positive for CAE.

What was I going to do? Not only did I have a CAE doe in my herd but I had put all the rest of the herd at risk. I would not be able to sell Kinder; my reputation was ruined. No one would ever want to buy a Kinder goat from me. My time for breeding Kinder seemed to be at an end. I was sick and sick at heart.

I called a friend in the Kinder Association and confided in her. She convinced me to do what every lab had suggested. Put down the doe with CAE then use CAE prevention with all the other Kinder in my herd. This would mean that I must be there at every birth and never allow a doe to touch any of her kids. I would need to heat treat the colostrum and pasteurize all the milk then bottle all the kids. The labs had told me that I would need to do this for some years because, even if no other Kinder had tested positive for CAE, it could at any time raise it ugly head again. The one doe had CAE and I had exposed all the others to this monster.

We put the doe down that had CAE, then my work began to try to stop CAE from infecting my other animals. It was lots of work and heart breaking to never let a doe see her babies. When Harvey would come to evaluate and even mention that a knee joint might be a little enlarged I would immediately send that animal for meat. We tested every year for CAE.

Years passed and never another animal positive for CAE. My life breeding Kinder did continue. My reputation had not been destroyed and I watched with such pride with many does being first in their class, winning championships and winning stars in one-day testing.

What is my point for writing about all this? I want to tell others how important it is to ask questions when buying animals. I want to impress on everyone that you cannot be too careful. It is important to have a gene pool but not at the expense of all your herd. It would have been so much better to have had fewer genetics than to expose all my goats to CAE. It didn't wipe out all my Kinder but it surely could have. God was good! It was only by the grace of God that I was able to continue my Kinder breeding. Breeding Kinder goats is something that I have just loved since the very first day and I am so thankful for the experience to have done that. I always keep in mind that it was almost cut short by my wanting more and better genetics. Be very careful!